Tuesday, August 23, 2016

Nissan LEAF Leasing AKA "Double Dealing!"

The debate over purchase/lease has ratcheted up a notch or two recently.  Nissan has been slashing lease rates on the 2016's to (hopefully) clear space on dealer lots for a soon to arrive longer range 2017 LEAF.

A rumor started in France predicts a 40 kwh LEAF hitting the streets in the next few months has me literally jumping out of my skin. The anticipation is unpalatable and  complicated by the usual "no word, no hints, no confirmation" Nissan stance on future models upgrades for its flagship EV.

Now before all this,  my plan was pretty clear cut. I would simply lease the best EV option out there when my current lease on my 2013 LEAF S expired Dec, 20 of this year. I figured the likely option would be a Nissan LEAF because they still give the best discounts on leases which includes the entire fed tax discounted immediately. I was willing to extend my lease up to 6 months on word of a better option like the 40 kwh LEAF if it was just around the corner but it would have to be a MUCH better option because....

I would have to get new tires. I planned to have just enough tread on my original OEM tires to pass inspection when I turned in my LEAF and that plan is right on schedule. With barely more than 3,000 miles on the lease, I can say with confidence, I might have a few thousand miles of tread to spare but not much more than that meaning more than a 2-3 month wait would require tires.

I would also have to renew my vehicle tabs at just under $300 a year ($225ish for the car, the rest is park pass, Seahawk custom plates. IOW; required driving utensils :) )

But my plan did not include a fire sale that would make California's wildfire season seem like an under-powered weenie roast.

First off; I received some snail mail a month or so ago offering to sell me my current LEAF for $5800! AND waive up to 6 months lease payments if I acted right away.  Well, you know the adage "If its too good to be true, it probably isn't?"  After all, my residual was $12,192.

Well that was my first, last and only thought on the subject and it immediately went into the garbage. So naturally I went on line to chide Nissan for sending me such an obviously transparent sales tool designed to get me in front of a salesman who would pressure me into something I didn't want at a price I didn't want to pay.

BUT...

I was immediately inundated by other LEAFers who got the same offer INCLUDING one who had decided to buy and did everything thru email including the final quote who ALSO had a 2013 S on lease and he got his for just over $6,000!

Another with an SV purchased his lease for $8100!  I began to realize that the "too good to be true" offer was in fact, REAL!

All of a sudden, I have many other options to consider.  At $5800, the LEAF was just about cheap enough to purchase, use it for shorter trips AND still be able to lease another LEAF! The range (just like my 2011) was very useful until I hit the 40,000 mile mark and now its going to be a struggle. Right now in Summer, I am good. Just did 90.4 miles on Monday with A/C but this car used to do over 100 miles which means Winter will take another group of destinations out of reach without a public charging stop.

THEN

Another EV'er who wanted to end his lease early on the EV, stumbled across and pulled the trigger on a 2016 SV with the 30 kwh battery and got a GREAT deal with $1,000 down and $270 a month!

This would likely mean I could lease an SV with 30 kwh for the same as what my current 2013 S is at $245.75 a month because EVs are not taxed in WA! Even if it was the same deal, it would still be significant and the reason??

My 2013 S is a perfect example of obsolescence. After 3 years, the lease residual is ridiculously high to the state of rapid improvement in batteries leading to much more desirable EVs.  No one would pay $12,000 on a used entry level LEAF that had 45,000 miles on it so hence the "half off" sale.

Another LEAFer received an offer in the mail for a 2016 S for $199 a month after a few thousand down which is really only an average price but the residual is a MUCH more reasonable at $8361.

Suddenly its beginning to make more sense to lease a 2016 SV.  The 30 kwh range opens up Grays Harbor for me (since public charging there does not seem to be happening any time soon) and in 3 years, I should be able to negotiate a better buy out the likely residual they are going to be offering!

This means I make out on the lease, make out on the purchase! Better than the doubling down I will be doing at Muckleshoot Casino in about 3 hours on my way to the Journey Concert tonight!

**edit**

Brian Henderson (also a LEAF Advisory Board Member) sent me this.

David, one more option to add to your EV decision confusion … as I feel your pat is missing a section!
http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2016/08/nissan-leaf-leasing-aka-double-dealing.html?m=1

FYI: a Soul EV. Right now offering leases with $13,000 (includes $7500 fed) incentives +$2-3000 dealer incentives. ie: a lease sub-$199. Know a couple owners at sub-$189/mo. While the monthly is lower tha Nissan, by default Kia quotes 10,000 annual miles vs. 12,000. (online calculators at each web make direct comparisons between LEAF SV/SL & Soul EV base/+). Kia's current base promotion is $169/mo (36 mo) with $199 down (ie: same as $224/mo avg with zero down)

On the use LEAF side, there's Paramont NW in Seattle and Platt in Portland. Both offer 40-60 used EVs at great prices. Seeing a number of lease returned 2013 LEAF's at ~$9000 range. Not sure how compares to you doing a buyout? Another option is to trade in your 2013 S and upgrade to a 2013/2015 SV/SL for the price difference. Advantage may be finding a more healthy (SOH) than you have at low mileage. A number of lease returns only have 12-18,000 miles!

Just a little something to consider as you enjoy your long weekend. đŸ˜‰

Cheers, ++Brian

Thanks Brian for the heads up!

10 comments:

  1. Anyway you want it that's the way need it, Dave. Good luck with whatever you end up doing. I look forward to your next post.

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    1. Thanks and to be honest with you, I am still hoping for the 40 kwh LEAF since that just gives me a few more years of "convenient" use before I have to look at replacing something down the road. Once again, I have to hope that battery tech improves and public charging proliferates!

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  2. Anyway you want it that's the way need it, Dave. Good luck with whatever you end up doing. I look forward to your next post.

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  3. I hate leases. I buy the car, then sell it or trade it in when I want to buy a new one. That might be in three years or three months. I have the freedom to do whatever I want. Maybe I have more money than sense, but I don't do phone contacts either. I pay full price and enjoy 3 new offices every year. Whatever the latest is. If you roll them over fast enough your don't take much of a hit on price either. I suspect EVs are a bit like phones: rapidly evolving and it doesn't make sense to me to lock in for three years in an item that's changing every 6 months. But yeah... I've spent $75,000 on cars this year. One ICE and two EVs. But they are new enough I'll get most of that back when / if I sell.

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  4. They should be 3 new phones every year. (Auto-mistake and bad proof reading)

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  5. They should be 3 new phones every year. (Auto-mistake and bad proof reading)

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  6. I hate leases. I buy the car, then sell it or trade it in when I want to buy a new one. That might be in three years or three months. I have the freedom to do whatever I want. Maybe I have more money than sense, but I don't do phone contacts either. I pay full price and enjoy 3 new offices every year. Whatever the latest is. If you roll them over fast enough your don't take much of a hit on price either. I suspect EVs are a bit like phones: rapidly evolving and it doesn't make sense to me to lock in for three years in an item that's changing every 6 months. But yeah... I've spent $75,000 on cars this year. One ICE and two EVs. But they are new enough I'll get most of that back when / if I sell.

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    1. Well if I could cycle thru cars every year, I would do it in a heartbeat! I don't do phone contracts either. I basically buy them (last one bought less than a week ago) use them until the battery starts to fade and then buy another one. Notice only the low end phones have removable batteries anymore? But I am not a low end phone type of person...

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  7. If Nissan was smart they would have a factory upgrade for older leases that split the range say 150 mile range with the upgrade. It would reduce the residual risk equation and give the dealer service departments an income source from EVs. Even better a factory battery upgrade should be financed like a lease with an extended warrenty. That way the new range versions dont kill the brand for the older cars.

    Even more important than range anxiety is the anxiety of an obsolete car whose value is unpredicable.

    I hope Nissan is listening because the Bolt and Tesla 3 is going to eat into their market

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    1. problem with that is few degrade enough to qualify for warranty in the short lease period. I will end my lease in 3 months likely with all 12 bars still intact.

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